From BBEG to BFF with Mike Perrone [RPG Horror Story]

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Sometimes talking with friends feels like role
playing. Sometimes it feels like comeback,

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join us at the round table and
roll an isha too. This is Curmudgeons

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and Dragons. Hello adventurers, Welcome
cir Curmudgeons and Dragons. My name is

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Jason Portizo. I'm once again joined
in person by mister Jim Crocker. I

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think you mean Curmudgeons and Dragons Live. He's just gonna keep doing the same

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joke. It's the same joke.
It's the same joke. It hasn't gotten

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old yet. He'll stop, He'll
stop the jokes hasn't gotten old. Hi

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Jim, Hello across the table.
Hello, Comedy Alive, over over Riverside,

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all the way from England. It
is Josie Diaz. This is the

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first time that if I really annoy
you, you can just slap me.

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So I should probably careful. I
would, but you're more than like you're

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more than arms distance away from him, So that's true. It's like a

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six foot ta I'm not like all
for our stuff at you, but that's

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about it. Also joining us through
Riverside, our guest today, Mike Perrone.

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Mike, how you doing man?
I'm okay. How about you we're

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doing Jess, So we're doing a
marathon of recording over here. So your

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episode four today, So every day, everything you guys are listening to you

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this month is all recorded in one
day. But yeah, do thanks so

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much for listening. Thanks for thanks
to being a part of the show.

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I think we found each other on
the was it the New Jersey and the

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group? Yes? Correct, I
found a lot a bunch of cool people

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in there is actually where I found
that about the Keep in the first place,

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because Tony was posting a lot about
the shop, and uh, I'm

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like, that's close by to me
and I need a new shop. So

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and again, Jim and I are
are live inside the Keep in Brick,

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New Jersey, the keepoppy dot com. Go support them because they are supporting

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us by giving us a cool space
to record today, Jason, are you

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saying that you meet people off the
internet. Maybe so, Mike a story

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for us today? I do.
I do. Uh. Most of my

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D and D lately has been on
the road the role twenty uh website,

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so I give a little back context. I got into dn D pretty late.

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Uh, I think kind of back
in like twenty I want to see

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twenty eighteen, like late fall twenty
eighteen. So the only edition I know

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is fifth edition. But i've heard
things about like fourth edition now, people

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like it was designed to bring in
new players. Like that's that's not Yeah,

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that's not anything to be ashamed about. So you've been playing for a

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number of months equal to the number
of years that I've been playing, is

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is what you're saying? Yeah?
Yeah, I mean you still look young.

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So I don't know how far far
away we are with that. He's

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trying, he's trying to get a
second episode out. Let's have him back

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on the show. Hell yeah,
all right, there we go. Please

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continue. I'm fascinated about your story
now, um way to make yourself some

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disingenuous damn. I mean honestly,
just even listening to I think I fairly

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just started listening to your podcast and
you you all had some interesting things that

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get talked about so well. I
I'm I'm thoroughly enjoying. You've got like

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a hardcore fan. Now I'm deep
diving, which which I did some notes

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too. We're up to two,
right, got it? So it's you,

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you, you and d Tree.
It's about it. Yeah, Oh

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I know, keeps listening so hello, Dtree, it all starts somewhere.

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Yeah, yeah, all right,
so let's let's let's get to your story.

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What you got. Yeah. So, so the story that I kind

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of went with was one that like
kind of stuck out. Uh. It

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was a Curse of Straw campaign.
So I don't know if anybody else has

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gotten through like finding a game,
so like the original way of how I

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did it during COVID. I was
a banker at the time, so like

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nobody was really going on anybody's homes
or anything like that. So I wanted

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to play it. So a friend
suggested using these some of these discord things

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where they'd post new games or looking
for players for dms. So I kind

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of did that, and then so
I kind of got this one person who

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posted and was curse Astrad. I
had no idea about the campaign except that

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it was more like Dracula style,
so he vetted me. We got along

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really well, uh much like you
amazing people. And what ended up happening

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is that he vetted me. He's
like, I would love to have you

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play, and just if you have
any questions, if you need any help

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character creating, you're more than welcome
too. So normally I would play a

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human, a human. I never
knew anything about Humavaria until later on.

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Um so I went along with you
played bad human. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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I didn't even know teams they're so
broken. Yeah, I didn't even

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know what feats were. And then
so like I started experimenting, and then

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with this campaign, I was like, let me, let me just expand

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and some just playing human. So
I one went the Asmar and the next

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thing that I was thinking about was
I get a lot of flak from it,

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even from friends or like strangers.
Which is a triple build. So

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I go Paladent source or Warlock,
which is kind of a taboo because he

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kind of like lose a lot.
But shout outs to this YouTuber called gf

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Cross TV. I stumbled onto his
channel going through like character building, and

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he has this triple build that I
like to be a jack of all trade.

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So this build was two level palad
two levels and Paladent one level Warlock

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and then the rest in Divide Sorcerer. So it kind of allowed me to

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frontline if I needed to. I
would get the crit from the one level

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Warlock and I'd be able to heal
and use spells if I need to,

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you know, pull back a little
bit and cast um. So, like,

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is this a thing where they started
you out in the game at higher

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than first level so that you could
do that out of the gate, or

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is this like what you're planning to
do or is this starting story is correct?

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Yes? Yeah, okay, so
I started I love this one,

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and then it kind of like trickled
into like level three eventually, like the

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longer the campaign would go. That's
was my idea because he who's questioning that

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about like how I wanted to go
mapping it out? Yeah yeah, yeah,

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yeah yeah, but at least like
whether you whether you did not purpose

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or not, at least you're picking
mostly charisma classes like you're you're not you're

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not stretching your stats that thin correct. Yeah. I've always been like one

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of those, like I play League
Legends, so I've always been like the

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tanky bruiser, like an offensive tank
kind of thing. Um. So like

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with this build, it kind of
gave me that flare that I liked about

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it. Um. A lot of
people that I met with one they said,

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when you first starting out, just
go full one class one race and

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you're good. So did that and
then I was like, let me try

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to experiment, see how this works. Um. So he allowed it,

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and uh we started the campaign.
There was me and three other people and

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then him as a DM and it
Session zero was fine. Uh. The

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more the longer that these sessions dragged
out, the more issues that came up.

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So there was two there was this
one one guy with me who were

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like passive and we want out to
do storyline. I wasn't too good at

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role plank, so I was kind
of like feeding off of the group and

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trying to do my best. I'm
still about it, um, but it's

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a it's a learned skilled first that
just happens instantaneously. I barely spoke my

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first two campaigns. I was very
reactive when it came into role play.

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It's like, no, like the
rules of combat, I understand, but

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like I can just do and say
whatever I want. What do I even

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say? And I just shut up? Yeah that's good, that's good.

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I mean we I I'm I'm a
social butterfly outside of D and D,

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but like when I'm in and playing, I try to still be. I

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think certain characters that I play,
I'm a lot more charismatic about it,

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Like this drag more pale than that
I created, and like he's a platinum

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dragon who makes snow cones for like
the knock the villains that he knocks out.

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I like it. Yeah, this
is it just became a wholesome story.

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Yeah. So with this, yeah, for the moment, for the

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moment. So with this, with
this campaign, I was like, let

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me be a little bit more like
more serious. Normally I try to be

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silly, Like, let me be
serious. So I based it off of

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I don't know if you ever watched
the CW show Supernatural, so I was

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going with I'm familiar with it.
Yeah, yeah, I love that show.

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I'm trying to meet gents and accles
at some point brewery, Yeah,

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I want so. I go to
New York Comic College, so I've been

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trying to hopefully see them. I
got to see small Ville cast uh Tom

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Wellank Uh Yeah. Me and my
brother had an article that came about like

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us that came out with them and
stuff like that. So it was kind

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of like a good thing. Uh
so uh back to drawing myself back in

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I created off of the archangel Michael
uh, the one where and I spoil

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alert before anybody hears about supernatural stuff
you might want to put. Yeah.

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Yeah, So what I did was
I created based on the Michael uh that

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Um, if Josie you can help
me out on this one where Michael gets

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first interacted when they go back in
time and Annie's trying to yes, that's

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so I based it off on that, like kind of like that and Castiel

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a little bit. So, Um, what I was trying to do was

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to be the laid back one but
presents like a like a a more cool

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demeanor at like just very serious and
get straight to the point. So we

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were as we're going through the campaign, there's instances where we find notes and

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this and that. So me and
this other guy who the other players are

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cleric. The other two I can't
remember. I think one was I think

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one was like a sword and the
other one was like another palatin. So

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me and the cleric we were just
kind of he was like a priest and

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he We're banking off of each other's
like vibe. And then there was the

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other two that just couldn't make the
group work, and slowly and slowly more

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and more problems came up. So
we're getting into the death house. I

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don't know if you're familiar with the
with the module. But slowly as we

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get, you know, into the
initial beginning of the campaign. We get

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into death House and shout out to
my friend Eldrech who's our DM and I've

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still been friends with him ever since
we met. Um. He did such

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a great job at explaining the campaign. But the issue was these two players

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that one they're doing in character fighting
and talking smack, and then doing it

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outside of character and yeah, yeah, and uh, and what it ends

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up happening is that he's he's trying
to stop the like to pause and like

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kind of let them dispute and understand, like, hey, you know,

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let's get this on the control.
We'll we're supposed to be like a good

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vibe. Let's keep this going.
So they would stop, and then he

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would try to explain the scenario or
situation or something that's like do your attack

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roles and this that, and those
two couldn't even get to that point because

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then they just started talking over him. And then they just started talking over

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each other. And then it's just
again like he said one but gets the

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other, and it just every time
there was a point of relaxation, we

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were getting through something there was always
a pivot to kind of like mediating these

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two, and we we practically got
over I don't know how, but thank

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goodness we did. We got out
of like the death house. We followed

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through that, and then we just
get into Barrovia and again we haven't even

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started. We're just getting there.
And then what ends up happening is it

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gets so bad that you know,
uh, he had the RDM, my

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buddy Eldrick he uh you know,
he has kids and a wife at so

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like at times he had to manage
his life, and I think between some

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things that were happening in the personal
side and then managing two grown people like

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costing gelling at each other at some
point for kids he didn't sign up for

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yeah, yeah, and it got
so so much to the point where one

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day he just messaged us and he
was like, listen, I'm sorry everyone,

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but we're going to cancel this campaign
until we decide to do whatever.

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Yeah, and so like like like
most yeah, silver lining though we've been

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best friends for I think almost three
years now, and what we've kind of

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done with each other is there are
like one shots and like all other so

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I eventually wanted to create a campaign, and so what I did was I

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asked him, Hey, do you
mind co signing with me on it?

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Like, I'll do all the work, You'll help when I can, and

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I want you to just be a
player. I don't want you to worry

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about the mechanics or anything if if
I if I seem to be off on

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something, you can just help me
out. That went well, but complications

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of the real world happened and we
all kind of like got to a story,

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kind of stopped it. I actually
downloaded a lot of the soundtracks,

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implemented It's a Role twenty. I
did a lot of macros and scripts and

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stuff like that, and I actually
create an interactive map. So I took

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a map I want on YouTube,
researched how to create tokens on the map,

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but do it on the map layer
to where like instead of me having

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to always remind players where they are
or what's the information, what I did

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was I set tokens for everybody to
be able to click on the map and

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say, hey, we're here,
what's the history of that? So if

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they forgot, they can click on
it and notes would pop up. I

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put d n notes of things that
I wanted, but they would have a

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general description this is the land of
Bovia, and this is kind of like

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the brief history and stuff like that. That's so cool that you're able to

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like implement coding and stuff to make
the website work better for you, because

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I am not quite good at coding, and that sounds like a fucking dream

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to be able to just be like, oh fuck, I forgot what we've

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been talking about. Let me just
click real quick on your map. Anything

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just better put together than like a
shared Google doc or something, which is

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always like they're the easy way to
do it. But but yeah, and

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all this like with within your first
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know, we're being being fairly new
to the hobby and like finding new ways

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to innovate. Yeah. Deep when
I deep dive by deep dive, it's

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it's an obsession. It's like Game
of Thrones obsession. I am sess.

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I got all my friends. I
think there was like nine to ten people

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that I got to Game of Thrones
and that's what kind of like started this

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whole like whammy of like one of
the one of my friends kind of they

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played D and D and I didn't
know anything I didn't know that they played

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it. I didn't know what it
was, and like, you know,

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they knew that. I love the
Game of Throne so much, so like,

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oh my god, that's that's so
cool that it's like, hey,

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here's a way for you to play
Game of Throne. All the vectors in

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D and D are fascinating to me
for you know, especially how you get

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them baby days. Yeah, hook
them with their with their high fantasy,

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uh, with their high fantasy show. And it's like, hey, while

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you're into high fantasy, it's like
you can play that. You can beat

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that by Yeah, I know,
I'm just fascinated by Like when I was

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a kid and we were playing D
and D, it was like, oh,

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wouldn't it be cool if they made
a TV show that was kind of

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like D and D someday? And
now it's going the other way. I

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love that that that it's you know, that that it's getting people into D

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and D instead of the other way
around. Yeah, I mean did they

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really though that? Did they?
With Kit Kit and night Rider that they

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really make it kind of is D
and D? Right? They just got

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a special idol got a special writership. I don't know, I don't know

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that. But I'm all for generous
reads. That's a that's a that's a

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very generous read. If you can
back it up with evidence, I will

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support your research paper. You listen, you go, you use your tools,

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and you write yourself a night Rider
campaign. Yeah, I mean they'll

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sell it on drive through and uh, let's to drive through DM's guild.

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Funny that you say that I'm actually
using chat g GPT. Uh. Sure,

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I'm actually using it to help me
create. So I'm a big fan

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of the Arragon series. I don't
know if anybody knows that the Inheritance series

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good books, awful movie, and
always happened. I will argue that the

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sword looks pretty dope though, So
I'm a big fan of some of the

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sort that's not enough to save that
trash pilot, right of course, of

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course good books. So just we're
gonna say the Avatar route to this,

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just ignore the movie and the original. There is no more embossing side.

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Yeah, there is no There is
no Avatar movie in bossing. Yeah,

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so that thing that doesn't exist.
So what I did? I love the

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books so much, and uh,
I just actually recently bought up the books

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series for a friend of mine who
got me into Dude. I just got

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into Dude. I think this year
or league last year. So I bought

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up the book series of Arragon.
With that new movie this Is that was

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a good time to get into it. Fenty content there yeah. Yeah.

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Um so just days, just learning
how to pronounce all the days everyone's names.

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It's still different fantasy whatever you believe
it is. No, no,

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no, no, no. This
is beyond normal fantasy names. Josie.

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This isn't just add an apostrophe and
two extra vowels to the end of everything.

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This is like unpronounceable cat walking across
the keyboard names. Okay, but

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that's what people think Welsh is.
That is what Welsh is. Oh my

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god, dude, is just Welsh? Yeah, okay, please continue.

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Yeah. So I'm trying to create
a campaign like a home brew I've never

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done a home brew campaign before,
sure, So like what I'm trying to

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do is I'm trying to use you
know, AI to kind of guide me

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into certain things of building. So
I'm trying to build a camp pain with

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Game of Thrones and Aragon. But
I don't know the timeline yet, do

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I. I'm trying to figure out
which timeline of Game of Thrones, am

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I do it? What timeline of
aragon A M I do it? And

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so like you know, if fellow
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nobody knows what's east or west of
wester Rows. So I'm actually going to

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use that as like a pull and
to where there's some magical barrier between the

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world of Annalasia and h and Game
of Thrones. And I think I'm gonna

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go with Arif Stark sending out a
letter to the adventurers to fantastic. That's

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what's so cool about gaming, like
homebrew is how you do how you mash

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those things together. Like I,
um, I'm a big fan of those

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China Mayville novels that are setting this
giant city called baz Lag, and I

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wanted a massive fantasy city. I
want that game, but like, I'm

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not going to do that game.
So I just took all the kind of

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stuff that he did, sure,
and you know, you just drop that

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into a homebrew game and you say, hey, when you make your character,

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tell me about the weird neighborhood that
you're from in the fantasy city,

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and you just mash it all together. And it doesn't need to necessarily make

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sense exactly. Yeah, I'm glad
it super fun. I'm glad it isn't

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manifesting as a D and D campaign
and not a fan fic. You it

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does exist, Sorry, Josie.
That's the best kind of fan fic because

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it's collaborative. You're building with every
together. Yeah. So, I guess

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the thing that I'm not one hundred
percent clear on is this best buddy,

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this former this DM of years that
became your best buddy. Did you have

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you guys met in person? Were
you local or was that just down the

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line relationship that turned into this important
relationship for it just it was just it's

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still an online thing. But I
I talked to him, Uh, I

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think a few times, like uh
by video, and I think we started

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exchanging like he would show me like
things that he's working on his house with

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uh. He would send me like
a pick of like yo, how do

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you I just got a new haircut? Look at this dude, And we

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kind of just did like we did
like the best buddy thing, like uh,

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yeah, you should tell me about
his friendship correct like a bromance and

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it's still going on strong. Uh
dB eg the BFF. Yeah that's the

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person. Yeah. Well, I
what I love to do is I love

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talking and meeting people. And uh, there are some friends outside of the

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d D that you know I've met
through like legal edges or other games.

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Uh. My friend Brian, I've
known him since oh god, since I

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think two thousand and nine, two
ten. I never met a person.

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It was like a friend of a
friend that they met. They were kind

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of like internet gamers together and that
we just became like best buds. He's

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like my duo partner and league legends
ad. He lives in Florida, and

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I told him, I think I'm
trying to plan either this year or next

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year to go out and see him. And you know, with my buddy

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that's a DM, I'm like,
you know, I really want to.

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I really want to make the effort
on like seeing him because I feel like

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get out at an actual table together
someday. Recommend meeting people for the first

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time who you have only known online
for for a while. It's I'm having

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a good time of it today,
so yeah, it's actually happening. Well

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yeah, yeah, correct, you
listening to this, Well I've heard it

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by now, but Mike wasn't there
because these episodes don't exist yet. But

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you know, so you've been listening
to a few episodes. Jim has been

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podcasting with us for about a year
and a half now, and this is

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the first time he and I are
in the same room. Yeah, only

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there too. One day we'll get
all three of us. Yeah, yeah,

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I mean, what an exciting time. I mean, what a what

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a what an exciting time to be
alive. Now there's nothing like the president.

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I mean that barrier, that barrier
is not not even a barrier,

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Like the distance is Like I think
years from now we are gonna there's gonna

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be a lot of people talking about
how D and D I mean all that

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kind of stuff online gaming, but
D and D in particular, like help

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them survive the pandemic. Yeah,
absolutely, because Yeah, if it wasn't

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for online gaming, I mean role
playing specifically RP tabletop RPGs, I don't

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know how I'd have gotten through it. Sure, So, so that started

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as a as a horror story between
two guys I couldn't get along in a

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game, but you ended up with
the best friend out of it. Yeah,

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this is like I don't even know
how to label this episode because the

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star has a horror story ended up
as probably the most awesome one we've had

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yet. Yeah, that's still a
wholesome story. That's gonna be my challenge

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for later. But uh, Mike, thank you so much for coming on

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the show and for being a listener
too. Thank you. You want to

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anything you want to plug, anything
you want to push, anything you want

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to put out there, I'm gonna
give you the floor and you can,

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um if you got any any any
endeavors that you're doing yourself. Um So,

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what I'm kind of doing, Uh, I will pivot to one thing

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real quick after after this. But
what I'm doing is I'm trying to create

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a podcast myself. Um So,
I don't have everything fully flushed out yet,

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but I am. It's it's called
the Fellowship of the Dice, So

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it's kind of what it's kind of
what you're doing. But for me,

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like the way that I don't in
my head, I still try and stort

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it out like I want to be. I want to create a podcast that's

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intuitive, uh learning games. I
mean, there's a few other people that

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have done it already, but I
want to be intuitive. I want to

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have like a free space like this
where you just have fun talk about anything

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dad related to your stories, what
brought you here, how it's how it's

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changed your life. Which I'm actually
going to pivot now to an episode that

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you all did and brought up a
great, great thing about I forget if

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it was you, Jason or Josie. There was an episode. I think

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I have it in my notes.
I just have a lot of notes stuff

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to try to look through. There
was an episode that kind of stuck with

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me today where I was listening and
it was about mental health, uh kind

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of therapy stuff. There was the
pizza thing. It's like yeah, sorry,

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yeah, no, it's great,
No, but on the couch or

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something. Yeah. So you mentioned
like this is not plug for a better

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health or anything like that, and
I thought that was hysterical. So so

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as a person who is also using
therapy and used this as I've kind of

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used D and D as one of
my therapeutic methods too on getting you know,

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childhood trauma and stuff like that to
kind of like get it out in

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a healthier way. And it's I
think that's a big thing for anybody else

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who's struggling out there and stuff like
that. It's this is kind of a

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creative kind of character of getting that
out as well. It's a good out

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with the with the caveat, and
I do think it's important. We do

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want to say this that it is
not a replacement for the replacement I want

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to dam and other player characters,
your therapists. But but it can be

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a great It can be a great
way to help you get through. It

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is a therapeutic outlet. Yeah,
it does not replace therapy and one because

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you know, we want to you
know, let the actual experts, you

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know, guide us through the things
that we need to guide through. And

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too, we don't want to drag
along our friends through our journeys of self

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discovery. Yeah, against their wills
with right, and they're just like,

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I know all of your trauma,
which is true for my friends anyway.

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But uh but yeah, it's it
is a fairly healthy therapeutic outlet on top

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of things that you should be also
doing. Um so you know, keep

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going with therapy, keep taking your
meds, but play D and D two.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, but that's
awesome, man. I thank thank

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you so much for U for calling
your specific episodes. I know you actually

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listen now, So Mike thank you
so much. Um we'll have links to

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to the discorded server in the show
notes, but thanks for your story man.

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Yeah, thank you so much.
Josie also thanks for thanks as always

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